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Report by Aachme[edit]

Report by: Aachme (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: South Christian High School (South Christian High School links: histlogsabuse logen:South Christian High School)
Edit kind: Add the school logo
Comments: No comments. Aachme (talk) 12:00, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Aachme: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153 by trying to cross-wiki upload a smaller (<50,000 bytes or <2,000,000 pixels) jpg logo as a new user. The logo you tried to upload is smaller, and you indicated it's your own work. Usually when someone uploads a smaller logo, it's a copyright violation taken from the web. Please upload the full-size original of it, including EXIF metadata, but it may be judged too complex to be under TOO in the country of origin, so you may need to post COM:L compliant permission for such works on your website or social media presence or send permission via VRT. Also, any raster image will look jaggy when scaled up, so you may want to upload an svg version, too. If you can't get a compliant license, the logo may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F because we don't allow Fair Use here. If you use our Upload Wizard instead, you should be able to avoid that filter. Also, what makes you think that https://www.schs.org/wp-content/uploads/SCHS-Logo-Navy.svg as displayed by https://www.schs.org/ is your own work and that you have the right to license it {{Cc-by-sa-4.0}}?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 07:29, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. I will upload this in the correct format. I am the head of this school and desire to update our page. As the Head of School I have all rights and ownership of this logo. Aachme (talk) 23:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Aachme: You're welcome.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 18:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Wik917[edit]

Report by: Wik917 (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_images_with_VisualEditor/2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_images_with_VisualEditor/2 links: histlogsabuse logen:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_images_with_VisualEditor/2)
Edit kind: I was uploading a simple .JPG image file/smartphone photograph, taken by myself, of the mountains in the area of Landers, CA. - I received the following err. msg: We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons.
Comments: It is .JPG file Wik917 (talk) 16:23, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Wik917: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153 by trying to cross-wiki upload a smaller (<50,000 bytes or <2,000,000 pixels) jpg photo as a new user. The photo you tried to upload is smaller, and you indicated it's your own work. Usually when someone uploads a smaller photo, it is a copyright violation taken from the web. If you took the photo yourself, please upload the full-size original of it per COM:HR, including EXIF metadata. If you did not take the photo, please see Commons:Licensing for why we can't accept it, and have the photographer post permission on their official website or social media or send the photo and permission via VRT with a carbon copy to you. If you can't get a compliant license, the photo may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F because we don't allow Fair Use here. If you use our Upload Wizard instead, you should be able to avoid that filter.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 07:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Thebodilyworks[edit]

Report by: Thebodilyworks (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Thebodilyworks/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1&preload=Template:User+sandbox/preload (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Thebodilyworks/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1&preload=Template%3AUser+sandbox%2Fpreload links: histlogsabuse logen:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Thebodilyworks/sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1&preload=Template:User+sandbox/preload)
Edit kind: Uploading headshot picture of person
Comments: Won't allow me to upload picture I have rights to for the person article is about. Thebodilyworks (talk) 07:00, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thebodilyworks: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153 by trying to cross-wiki upload a smaller (<50,000 bytes or <2,000,000 pixels) jpg photo as a new user. The photo you tried to upload is smaller, and you indicated it's your own work. Usually when someone uploads a smaller photo, it is a copyright violation taken from the web. If you took the photo yourself, please upload the full-size original of it per COM:HR, including EXIF metadata. If you did not take the photo, please see Commons:Licensing for why we can't accept it, and have the photographer post permission on their official website or social media or send the photo and permission via VRT with a carbon copy to you. If you can't get a compliant license, the photo may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F because we don't allow Fair Use here. If you use our Upload Wizard instead, you should be able to avoid that filter. Also, what makes you think a "Business Page" is in scope on English Wikipedia?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 07:18, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Panagiotis Leontas[edit]

Report by: Panagiotis Leontas (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: marder operators (marder operators links: histlogsabuse logen:marder operators)
Edit kind: I took the already existing image of global operators and updated it by adding blue colour in Greece. The problem is that the image, as it says, is not of my own work.
Comments: please allow me to make the change for better information Panagiotis Leontas (talk) 08:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Panagiotis Leontas: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153 by trying to cross-wiki upload a png image as a new user. Such uploads of png images are not allowed at all. You indicated it's your own work. Usually when someone uploads a png image, it's a copyright violation taken from the web. Please upload the full-size original of it per COM:HR, including any metadata, but it may be judged too complex to be under TOO in the country of origin, so you may need to license it on your official website or social media or send permission via VRT. Also, any png image will look fuzzy when scaled down (due to design decisions discussed in phab:T192744) or jaggy when scaled up, so you may want to upload an svg or jpg version, too. If you can't get a compliant license, the image may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F because we don't allow Fair Use here. If you use our Upload Wizard instead, you should be able to avoid that filter.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 14:03, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Onoigboria[edit]

Report by: Onoigboria (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: 2023 Nigeria general elections (2023 Nigeria general elections links: histlogsabuse logen:2023 Nigeria general elections)
Edit kind: I was trying to include a missing picture of one of the three major political party presidential candidate in nigeria
Comments: Kindly allow this edit as it is the only item missing Onoigboria (talk) 13:12, 11 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onoigboria: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153 by trying to cross-wiki upload a png photo as a new user. Such uploads of png photos are not allowed at all. You indicated it's your own work. Usually when someone cross-wiki uploads a png photo, it's a copyright violation taken from the web. Please upload the full-size original of it, including any metadata, but if you were not the original photographer, that person may need to post Commons:Licensing compliant permission for such work on their website or social media presence or send permission via VRT with a carbon copy to you. Also, it will look fuzzy when scaled down (due to design decisions discussed in phab:T192744), so you may want to upload a jpg version which will look sharper, too. If you can't get a compliant license, the photo may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F because we don't allow Fair Use here. If you use our Upload Wizard instead, you should be able to avoid that filter.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by SistemaRayoXP[edit]

Report by: SistemaRayoXP (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: User:ERPN (User:ERPN links: histlogsabuse logen:User:ERPN)
Edit kind: I tried to fix an old broken link on a user page, so the abuse filter did not allow me to do this
Comments: It's not that important of an issue, but if someone could help to fix it it would be greatly appreciated SistemaRayoXP (talk) 05:00, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@SistemaRayoXP: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/245 by trying to edit a page in userspace that is not your account's without being autopatrolled. Please avoid such edits, and request autopatrol at COM:RFR when you think you are ready. I fixed it for you.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:03, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by KNIME Wiki[edit]

Report by: KNIME Wiki (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: Michael Berthold (Michael Berthold links: histlogsabuse logen:Michael Berthold)
Edit kind: the image is unusable
Comments: We have full rights to this image and own the file. Photo taken in Nov 2022 in Austin - KNIME Fall Summit KNIME Wiki (talk) 12:58, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@KNIME Wiki: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153 by trying to cross-wiki upload a smaller (<50,000 bytes or <2,000,000 pixels) jpg photo as a new user. The photo you tried to upload is smaller, and you indicated it's your own work. Usually when someone uploads a smaller photo, it is a copyright violation taken from the web. If you took the photo yourself, please upload the full-size original of it per COM:HR, including EXIF metadata. If you did not take the photo, please see Commons:Licensing for why we can't accept it, and have the photographer post permission on their official website or social media or send the photo and permission via VRT with a carbon copy to you. If you can't get a compliant license, the photo may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F because we don't allow Fair Use here. If you use our Upload Wizard instead, you should be able to avoid that filter. What is so wrong with File:Michael Berthold.jpg?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 14:09, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Master creator1[edit]

Report by: Master creator1 (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: Master creator1 (Master creator1 links: histlogsabuse logen:Master creator1)
Edit kind: make a discription of what I do and my youtube channel it said it was deconstructive.
Comments: what happened and why Master creator1 (talk) 17:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Master creator1: Hi, and welcome. Special:AbuseFilter/120 and other filters worked as intended. We do not host encyclopedia or spam articles here on Wikimedia Commons per COM:NOT. See also en:WP:U.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 21:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Nermine sami[edit]

Report by: Nermine sami (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: User:Nermine Sami (User:Nermine Sami links: histlogsabuse logen:User:Nermine Sami)
Edit kind: i tried to edit my page
Comments: No comments. Nermine Sami 19:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nermine sami (talk • contribs) 19:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Nermine sami: You own two different accounts, Nermine Sami and Nermine sami. To our system that looks like two different users. Users having a low editcount cannot edit other users' user pages. Unfortunately there is no way of merging two accounts. --Achim55 (talk) 19:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by MESP offical[edit]

Report by: MESP offical (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: mesp (mesp links: histlogsabuse logen:mesp)
Edit kind: trying to give an image the name "mesp" and it wasn't allowed
Comments: allow mesp MESP offical (talk) 20:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@MESP offical: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153 by trying to cross-wiki upload a png logo as a new user. Such uploads of png logos are not allowed at all. You indicated it's your own work. Usually when someone uploads a png logo, it's a copyright violation taken from the web. Please upload the full-size original of it per COM:HR, including any metadata, but it may be judged too complex to be under TOO in the country of origin, so you may need to license it on your official website or social media or send permission via VRT. Also, any png image will look fuzzy when scaled down (due to design decisions discussed in phab:T192744) or jaggy when scaled up, so you may want to upload an svg or jpg version, too. If you can't get a compliant license, the logo may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F because we don't allow Fair Use here. If you use our Upload Wizard instead, you should be able to avoid that filter. See also en:WP:U.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 21:14, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Princhipia[edit]

Report by: Princhipia (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith–Waterman_algorithm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Waterman_algorithm links: histlogsabuse logen:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith–Waterman_algorithm)
Edit kind: upload a file that shows the alignment matrix for the example already given in the page.
Comments: No comments. Princhipia (talk) 13:58, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Princhipia: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153 by trying to cross-wiki upload a png image as a new user. Such uploads of png images are not allowed at all. You indicated it's your own work. Usually when someone uploads a png image, it's a copyright violation taken from the web. Please upload the full-size original of it per COM:HR, including any metadata, but it may be judged too complex to be under TOO in the country of origin, so you may need to license it on your official website or social media or send permission via VRT. Also, any png image will look fuzzy when scaled down (due to design decisions discussed in phab:T192744) or jaggy when scaled up, so you may want to upload an svg or jpg version, too. If you can't get a compliant license, the image may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F because we don't allow Fair Use here. If you use our Upload Wizard instead, you should be able to avoid that filter.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 18:33, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by AvaYkta61[edit]

Report by: AvaYkta61 (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: User:Nimeru23 (User:Nimeru23 links: histlogsabuse logen:User:Nimeru23)
Edit kind: all useres and page
Comments: wikipedia.com AvaYkta61 (talk) 15:25, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@AvaYkta61: Thanks for notifying! If you continue this way your account might be set to read-only. Regards, Achim55 (talk) 15:42, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by AlkotoSz[edit]

Report by: AlkotoSz (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: Unknown
Edit kind: I was trying to upload a picture I took. It said it was not alowed.
Comments: No comments. AlkotoSz (talk) 21:25, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@AlkotoSz: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153 by trying to cross-wiki upload png and smaller (<50,000 bytes or <2,000,000 pixels) jpg photos as a new user. Such uploads of png photos are not allowed at all. The following applies to each photo. You indicated it's your own work. Usually when someone uploads a png or smaller jpg photo, it's a copyright violation taken from the web. Please upload the full-size original of it per COM:HR, including any metadata, but if you were not the original photographer, that person may need to license it on their official website or social media or send permission via VRT with a carbon copy to you. Also, any png image will look fuzzy when scaled down (due to design decisions discussed in phab:T192744) or jaggy when scaled up, so you may want to upload svg or jpg versions, too. If you can't get a compliant license, the photo may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F because we don't allow Fair Use here. If you use our Upload Wizard instead, you should be able to avoid that filter.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 21:49, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by RoberT.785[edit]

Report by: RoberT.785 (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tofiq_Ahmed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tofiq_Ahmed links: histlogsabuse logen:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tofiq_Ahmed)
Edit kind: i dont know
Comments: No comments. RoberT.785 (talk) 12:30, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@RoberT.785: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153 by trying to cross-wiki upload a smaller (<50,000 bytes or <2,000,000 pixels) jpg photo as a new user. The photo you tried to upload is smaller, and you indicated it's your own work. Usually when someone uploads a smaller photo, it is a copyright violation taken from the web. If you took the photo yourself, please upload the full-size original of it per COM:HR, including EXIF metadata. If you did not take the photo, please see Commons:Licensing for why we can't accept it, and have the photographer post permission on their official website or social media or send the photo and permission via VRT with a carbon copy to you. If you can't get a compliant license, the photo may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F because we don't allow Fair Use here. If you use our Upload Wizard instead, you should be able to avoid that filter.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 10:59, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Carlabianco[edit]

Report by: Carlabianco (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: Erik Pevernagie "The rabbit hole of Meditation" (Erik Pevernagie "The rabbit hole of Meditation" links: histlogsabuse logen:Erik Pevernagie "The rabbit hole of Meditation")
Edit kind: They were saying that it was not a gallery, But I did not ask for a gallery,

It is more literature and psychology

Comments: [object Object] Carlabianco (talk) 12:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Carlabianco: Hi, and welcome. You appear to have tried creating a non-gallery page in our mainspace, which we use for galleries. Special:AbuseFilter/122 worked as intended. We do not host encyclopedia articles, résumés, CVs, current ads, random advice, etc. here on Wikimedia Commons per COM:NOT. Your contribution of a biography is more appropriate for English Wikipedia, about which please see en:WP:BIO.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:35, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by 195.65.154.140[edit]

Report by: 195.65.154.140 (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: Unknown
Edit kind: i was trying to create captons to a tiger video and the filter kick me
Comments: No comments. 195.65.154.140 09:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, and welcome. Special:AbuseFilter/103 is designed to "Enforce syntactical valid Timed Text" for new and anonymous users like you. Please ensure your Timed Text is syntactically valid by reading MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-invalid-timed-text and en:SubRip.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 10:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Ralf Roletschek[edit]

Report by: Ralf Roletschek (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload links: histlogsabuse logen:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload)
Edit kind: You do not have the permission to review images, this edit was therefore disabled.

In case you aren't sure if your edit is constructive, it's best to ask for help, either on the [[::Upload|talk page]] or on the help desk.

Comments: No comments. Ralf Roletschek 17:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ralf Roletschek: Hi again. The "Filter description: License review by non-Image-reviewers" indicates that the filter thinks you were pretending to be a license reviewer on that file. Instead of doing that, you should have used the original {{Flickrreview}} tag. I reviewed File:Panasonic TV-radio-cassette portable, around 1982.jpg for you.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 18:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Jenningsbet2023[edit]

Report by: Jenningsbet2023 (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: Jenningsbet (Jenningsbet links: histlogsabuse logen:Jenningsbet)
Edit kind: Trying to upload an image is proving very difficult.
Comments: No comments. Jenningsbet2023 (talk) 11:12, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jenningsbet2023: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153 by trying to cross-wiki upload png images as a new user. Such uploads of png images are not allowed at all. The following applies to each image. You indicated it's your own work. Usually when someone uploads a png image, it's a copyright violation taken from the web. Please upload the full-size original of it per COM:HR, including any metadata, but if you were not the original image designer or photographer, that person may need to post permission on their official website or social media, or send it via VRT with a carbon copy to you. Also, it will look fuzzy when scaled down (due to design decisions discussed in phab:T192744), so you may want to upload a jpg or svg version, too. If you can't get compliant licenses, the images may still be uploaded to English Wikipedia in compliance with en:WP:F because we don't allow Fair Use here. If you use our Upload Wizard instead, you should be able to avoid that filter.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 04:12, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Wkee4ager[edit]

Report by: Wkee4ager (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: User:Abuluntu (User:Abuluntu links: histlogsabuse logen:User:Abuluntu)
Edit kind: I was trying to redirect my previous user name to my new user name
Comments: No comments. Wkee4ager (talk) 23:34, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Wkee4ager: Hi, and welcome. I am sorry to inform you that you have triggered Special:AbuseFilter/245 by trying to edit a page in userspace that is not your account's without being autopatrolled. Please avoid such edits, and request autopatrol at COM:RFR when you think you are ready. I redirected it for you.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 04:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for your help… I will behave well😆 Wkee4ager (talk) 13:52, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Dr.pspspsps[edit]

Report by: Dr.pspspsps (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: Chanteys (Chanteys links: histlogsabuse logen:Chanteys)
Edit kind: I was trying to upload a news report heading onto the page and it wouldnt let me
Comments: No comments. Dr.pspspsps (talk) 23:37, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See en:User talk:Dr.pspspsps, and particularly the speedy deletion of en:Draft:Chanteys as a blatant hoax. So you're in the wrong place and I doubt that we're particularly inclined to assist you in hoaxing further. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:08, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by Ruth Ellis Center[edit]

Report by: Ruth Ellis Center (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: Ruth Ellis Center (Ruth Ellis Center links: histlogsabuse logen:Ruth Ellis Center)
Edit kind: i am attempting to update our article with our new agency logo. It is only letter.
Comments: No comments. Ruth Ellis Center (talk) 14:47, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Report by VetteHistory[edit]

Report by: VetteHistory (talkcontribsblock logfilter log)
Page name: Dave Hill (automotive engineer) (Dave Hill (automotive engineer) links: histlogsabuse logen:Dave Hill (automotive engineer))
Edit kind: I have a photo I had taken of Mr. Hill in July 2022 at the NCRS National Convention in Mobile, AL. THis is my own photo. I have cropped it to be just a chest up headshot. The filter said it was deemed not constructive and potentially harmful.
Comments: I'm just attempting to update a page sadly lacking for this Corvette Chief Engineer. There is no photo of Mr. Hill. VetteHistory (talk) 01:14, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]