Commons:Administrators/Requests/Nihonjoe

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Symbol support vote.svg Support = 1; Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose = 8; Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral = 2 - 11% Result. Unsuccessful. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:45, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nihonjoe[edit]

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Nihonjoe (talk · contributions · deleted user contributions · recent activity · logs · block log · global contribs · CentralAuth)

Scheduled to end: 00:16, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I do a lot of image naming cleanup in Category:Media requiring renaming and its subcategories. I often run across situations where it would be useful to have the admin bit in order to properly handle things (especially in situations where a number of related images are needing to be renamed to filenames over redirects, such as when a series of image names are being normalized so they all have a similar naming scheme). I've been around for quite a while and have over 50k edits here on Commons (as well as over 120k on enwiki), and I'm very good at checking policies and stuff if I'm not sure on something. Thanks! ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 00:16, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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(I could change to neutral if this user can take the necessary steps to correct this wrong filename or explain what should be done to rectify the wrong name now.) Actually no, there were far more bad decisions. See comments below.--Roy17 (talk) 07:32, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Excessive renaming is absolutely counterproductive and should be severely curbed, but not encouraged. --Stepro (talk) 10:58, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose An admin needs to have at least a basic understanding of all policy areas, including copyright, and the candidate has not demonstrated that. See Geni’s comment below and Internet Speculative Fiction Database screenshot - James H. Schmitz bibliography - 18 April 2022.jpg (https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Banner_Art_Credits suggests that at least some banner art is non-free; there may be other issues). Brianjd (talk) 11:11, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It looks like I had misunderstood the images used in the ISFDB banner. My understanding was that all of them were in the public domain when used in their banner images (since you probably couldn't claim fair use if they were used for mere decoration in the banner). If they are not, we can definitely delete the screenshot. I have no problem with that. ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 18:30, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral Looks like removal of filerenamer rights voting. Admins are needed due to files for deletion lag. --Jarash (talk) 12:14, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Jarash Filemover rights are a subset of admin rights, so abuse of filemover rights is relevant to a discussion about adminship. Brianjd (talk) 12:41, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I think "abuse" is rather harsh, as that implies willfully renaming files against policy. If I've made mistakes, I'm willing to own up to that and make corrections in how I handle renaming of files, but I'm certainly not willfully violating policy. ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 18:34, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose -- we need a lot of new Commons Administrators, that's for sure. But people who want to become an Administrator must understand the main rules. Renaming is not "just for fun". And usually should not be madae alone, but in a 4-eyes-review. One person who think there's a renaming needed and a second who support this and then renames. Btw. - just for renaming, nobody needs to be an Admin, here a lot of users have the reanamers rights. -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 15:37, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose There does not seem to be a need for admin rights just for renaming --Ameisenigel (talk) 16:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol support vote.svg Support: foreign language skills, tedious special work (renaming) especially adding dates to graphs (ran into that problem the other day looking for a recent, current graph) but as Marcus Cyron says above, are admin rights really necessary for just renaming? Raquel Baranow (talk) 16:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Raquel Baranow: Not for just renaming, but periodically, a move will require an admin (usually because of an old redirect) to finish the request. That's what I would be using it for. ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 23:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Brianjd. --A.Savin 17:17, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per Marcus Cyron --DCB (talk) 17:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose per many of the users above.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 00:50, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral leaning support for their answers (that they even answer is a seldomly experienced privilege on commons) and willingness in checking the policies (similar like a WP:BEFORE on EN Wiki), but am a bit concerned by the opposes.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:52, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comments[edit]

  • fairly recently uploaded File:A Singing Lesson by Ida Rentoul Outhwaite.jpg was published in Melbourne not the US. Which means under commons policy we need to follow Australian law as well as US. Ida Rentoul Outhwaite died in 1960 and Australian law is life+70 so won't hit the public domain until 2030.Geni (talk) 03:16, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The servers are located in the United States, and since the work was also published in the United States prior to 1923, it is in the public domain in the United States no matter when the artist died (which is why I used the tag I did). I was unable to find a template that indicates it may still be under copyright in Australia (which it likely is). ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 17:46, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    From Commons:Licensing#Interaction of US and non-US copyright law: Uploads of non-U.S. works are normally allowed only if the work is either in the public domain or covered by a valid free license in both the U.S. and the country of origin of the work. The "country of origin" of a work is generally the country where the work was first published. Hence, a work being in the public domain in the US doesn't in and of itself make it suitable for Commons. The work's copyright status in the country of first publication is also of importance. So if your file has no free license in Australia it probably need to be deleted.Jonteemil (talk) 20:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    You are indeed correct. It looks like I had misunderstood that. It appears all of the Ida Rentoul Outhwaite images I uploaded under that misunderstanding will need to be deleted. ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 20:50, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Geni It looks like their last thirty uploads all have the same issue. Brianjd (talk) 10:46, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Nihonjoe, in what avenues would you like to help here besides assisting in file renaming? ─ The Aafī (talk) 07:18, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Checking 500 latest move logs https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=move&user=Nihonjoe&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist&wpfilters%5B0%5D=newusers&limit=500
  1. 00:03, 12 January 2023 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:上野原市市章.svg to File:Emblem of Uenohara, Yamanashi.svg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) - translation violates multilingualism of Commons.
  2. 23:47, 11 January 2023 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Ilham Aliyev received President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in Konya (4).jpg to File:Ilham Aliyev received President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in Konya 04.jpg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) (revert) (thank)
  3. 23:44, 11 January 2023 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Ilham Aliyev received President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in Konya (3).jpg to File:Ilham Aliyev received President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in Konya 03.jpg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) (revert) (thank)
  4. 23:44, 11 January 2023 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Ilham Aliyev received President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in Konya (2).jpg to File:Ilham Aliyev received President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in Konya 02.jpg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) (revert) (thank)
  5. 23:44, 11 January 2023 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Ilham Aliyev received President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in Konya (1).jpg to File:Ilham Aliyev received President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in Konya 01.jpg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) (revert) (thank) - frivolous cosmetic changes.
  6. 22:56, 22 November 2022 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Coat of arms of Soliera.svg to File:Soliera-Stemma.svg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) (revert) (thank)
  7. 22:56, 22 November 2022 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Coat of Arms of Serrungarina.svg to File:Serrungarina-Stemma.svg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) (revert) (thank)
  8. 22:56, 22 November 2022 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Coat of Arms of Saltara.svg to File:Saltara-Stemma.svg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) (revert) (thank)
  9. 22:56, 22 November 2022 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Coat of Arms of Pieve di Cento.svg to File:Pieve di Cento-Stemma.svg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) (revert) (thank)
  10. 22:55, 22 November 2022 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Coat of arms of Novellara.svg to File:Novellara-Stemma.svg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) (revert) (thank)
  11. 22:55, 22 November 2022 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Coat of Arms of Montemaggiore al Metauro.svg to File:Montemaggiore al Metauro-Stemma.svg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) (revert) (thank)
  12. 22:55, 22 November 2022 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Coat of Arms of Colli al Metauro.svg to File:Colli al Metauro-Stemma.svg (Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set)) (revert) (thank) - more translation renames.
  13. 18:10, 8 November 2022 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Versace logo.svg to File:Versace old logo.svg (Criterion 2 (meaningless or ambiguous name) · Versace had a logo update, and this is the previous version.) - This is not an error but not good enough. The name should include some year as reference, but now when versace changes logo again this filename will be criterion 2 again.
  14. 00:07, 3 November 2022 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Flag of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Unofficial, 1925-1937).svg to File:Flag of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Unofficial, 1925–1937).svg (Criterion 3 (obvious error) · Fixed typo) (revert) (thank)
  15. 00:06, 3 November 2022 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File talk:Flag of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic (1919-1927).svg to File talk:Flag of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic (1919–1927).svg (Criterion 3 (obvious error) · Fixed typo) (revert) (thank)
  16. 00:06, 3 November 2022 Nihonjoe talk contribs moved page File:Flag of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic (1919-1927).svg to File:Flag of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic (1919–1927).svg (Criterion 3 (obvious error) · Fixed typo) - cosmetic changes.
Too many to list.--Roy17 (talk) 07:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Roy17 What is the problem with translation? Commons:File renaming#Which files should not be renamed? says: Files should NOT be renamed only to translate the filename to another language and/or because the filename is not correctly capitalized. (emphasis changed) This implies that translation might be OK if another reason is given. Another reason was given here. If that other reason is not valid, then discuss that, but don’t complain about translation.
With item 5 in your list, again, criterion 4 should override what you think of as a frivolous change. If that criterion is not valid here, then discuss that instead.
Items 13 and 16 were clearly problematic, but two (minor?) problems don’t disqualify someone from adminship. Brianjd (talk) 10:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why should Japanese filenames be harmonised to an English system? Who says there can be a standard system in only English? Who says a standard system in Japanese is invalid? And this filemover understands Japanese, so he knows full well he was merely changing from one language to another.
Then the Italian renames totally contradict the Japanese rename. If a standard English format "Coat of arms of Soliera.svg" can be changed to Italian, then why change Japanese to English?
Is there any reason to change the system of "(1)" to "01"? Why is a system with "(1)" invalid? Roy17 (talk) 10:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Roy17 Why shouldn’t Japanese filenames be harmonised to an English system? I see plenty of English filenames in the category SVG emblems of municipalities in Yamanashi Prefecture that follow the same pattern. Checking a random subset of those English filenames, I see that they (significantly) predate the candidate’s move. Brianjd (talk) 11:18, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Regarding the Italian renames, see the names in the category SVG coats of arms of municipalities of Emilia-Romagna. So I am not sure that there is any problem here.
But there was definitely a problem with the file numbering renames: it seems like the entire set was renamed from one consistent naming system to another, and nothing in the renaming guideline justifies that. Brianjd (talk) 11:25, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Roy17 This has been an ongoing project by someone (the harmonizing of Japanese municipality emblems) as I've seen them quite often in the rename requests list. While I generally don't change filenames from one language to another, if they are part of a larger set that's being harmonized, then I approve the move. I've certainly rejected plenty of rename requests in the past where someone is simply changing from one language to another and that's their only reason. As for Who says a standard system in Japanese is invalid?, no one is saying that as far as I can tell. It's just how this particular set is being harmonized. You'd have to ask the person who requested the files be moved to find that out.
Regarding the Ilham Aliyev set of images, I assumed good faith on the part of the requester regarding the "harmonizing a set of image" as I could see a large number of that set in the queue. Same with the Italian renames. Since the images were all regarding Italian topics, and the reason given was to harmonize a set of images, I assumed good faith on the part of the requester. ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 18:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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